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@AnarchoNinaWrites is there any solution that doesn't involve revolution?

@craignicol I honestly don't think so, or I wouldn't be talking the way I am.

The shape of the problem is: the fossil fuels have to go, the capitalism (both in terms of pre-existing wealth, and wealth generation for billionaires and the ruling class) DEPENDS on the fossil fuels so the capitalism has to go, and finally the ruling class order is not going to let you end capitalism without enacting violence to prevent it; this will never be on the ballot.

So? It's revolution or die. Pretty sure.

@AnarchoNinaWrites there's certainly governments who aren't full on for fossil fuels who are gambling on green energy etc to end fossil fuels without them having to do anything unpopular, but I don't think any of them have realised that in a changing climate, nothing is stable, and everyone holding up the status quo will be hugely unpopular.

We're seeing hints of it with the populist fascists around the world, but they still basically want the same thing, only with less diversity.

@craignicol Green energy is a long con; it does not exist because the capitalist order will not ever allow it to exist. Rich people and corporations have already booked more than enough fossil fuels to boil the world twice over, and entire planks of the global economy/wealth have been generated based on those bookings. Rich people and the states they own are not going to dissolve that money because "planet on fire" or they would have already. Capitalism does not work w/o fossil fuels.

@AnarchoNinaWrites of course. They can control the supply of fossil fuels. If they can't control the supply, the capitalist mythos crumbles to dust. And even if most of us switch to less and less, burning fuel is what keeps their wealth high. In the yachts and the private jets, and the war machinery. It's a self-preserving myth

And if that lie is exposed, everything is up for grabs, and the hierarchy cannot be sustained.

@craignicol I mean they will literally kill you if you try, because again switching off fossil fuels will turn booked reserves worth like actual TRILLIONS of dollars into worthless sludge. And the problem is even bigger than that for the capitalists because the banking structure has already done loans, investments and created wealth based on the idea those fossil fuels are worth trillions and will be burned.

Switching would bankrupt the ppl who own everything, overnight.

@AnarchoNinaWrites which is depressing because what does it matter if you're bankrupt in a post-scarcity world? They're only hiding into the myth because it gives them power. And they'd rather have power in a dead world than life in a fair world.

@craignicol They figure they'll be dead or able to run to Mars/wherever by the time it matters and billions of us are just "useless eaters" anyway.

Rich people have a whole cult (google: TESCREAL sometime) that posits that it's fine if everyone dies so long as rich people and artificial minds continue to exist because that will allow them to escape finite resources (and life on earth).

@craignicol The fact that it won't work, isn't going to stop them from trying it and building a belief system to justify it; they already doing it.

@craignicol Reading the replies I've typed in this thread, I'm realize that they probably should have been public posts because more people need to hear this kinda shit.

Would you object to me retweeting my replies? I've looked back on your posts and near as I can tell we're agreeing with each other a lot, so I don't think doing so will reflect poorly on you but it MAY attract muppets who like to argue with ME into your replies. So that's why I'm asking first...

@AnarchoNinaWrites go ahead. I've argued with a lot of Muppets. If they need a virtual slap, I'm happy to do so.

(Disappointed that a gif search for "punching nazi" returns no results)